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Poster: bluebirdsingone Date: Sep 5, 2012 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Jerry's best known solo?

Apologies if this topic has been covered before...

I had the random thought a few days ago when hearing CSNY's "Teach Your Children" that Jerry's pedal steel solos to bookend that song just might be his best known solos by non-deadheads (the vast majority of the listening public). If so, this would be notable for at least two reasons: 1) he's playing pedal steel and not guitar (or banjo), and 2) he's not playing in the band he is universally associated with. If his playing on "Teach" is not his most widely known solo, then what is?

[edit: thanks to Stratocaster, I was reminded to add that the great irony here is that while this is perhaps Jerry's most widely known solo, very few people probably know it's him playing.]

I also think his perfect pedal steel part on "Teach" is one of the best reminders of how sympatico Jerry was with a broad range of American roots music and musicians. His devotion to playing, multi-instrumental prowess, and band-before-ego ethos made him an ideal session musician. On pedal steel, an instrument he never practiced enough to achieve the same mastery as he attained on banjo and guitar, he played for New Riders of the Purple Sage, Jefferson Airplane, Paul Kantner, Brewer and Shipley, Tom Fogerty, Paul Pena, Doug Sahm, Link Wray, Robert Hunter, Peter Rowan, and solo efforts by David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and Graham Nash.

Thanks to everyone who continues to make this Archive such a wonderful repository.

Grateful Dead Forever

This post was modified by bluebirdsingone on 2012-09-06 00:14:59

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 5, 2012 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

I agree. it was the first thing that came to mind when I read you subject line

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 5, 2012 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

9/29/89 Death Don't Have No Mercy!!!!!!

http://archive.org/details/gd1989-09-29.dsbd.walker-scotton.miller.81705.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 6, 2012 2:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Charlie ('Thank Rob Eaton for the DATs) Miller ?

I remember him.

I was beginning to worry that he might have died.

Glad he hasn't.

TW-4-10-0-9

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Poster: EyesWereThere Date: Sep 7, 2012 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Yes, that's one of the best I was lucky to see live. I would have a hard time though picking it against the He's Gone on 12-28-1990. Runner-up (for shows I saw) is Black Peter 06-08-90.

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Poster: EyesWereThere Date: Sep 7, 2012 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

My favorite solo overall of all the shows I ever heard is Dancin' in the Streets from Barton Hall. It's a clinic of solo work by a true master.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 5, 2012 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

most heard probably, best known, maybe not...not sure a lot of folks outside of deadheads or csny fans might know its Jerry...

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Poster: bluebirdsingone Date: Sep 5, 2012 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Thanks for pointing out what I'd meant and forgotten to add in the original post: the great irony of this being his most well known solo and how few people know it's him playing.

Cheers.

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Poster: Reade Date: Sep 5, 2012 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

In terms of the best known solo where people actually know it's Jerry... he gets serious @ 1:11 of track 11:

http://archive.org/details/gd1971-02-18.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.85478.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 5, 2012 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Garcia's best known solo? which evening were you considering?

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 5, 2012 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

I agree. it was the first thing that came to mind when I read you subject line

Even if people don't know it's Garcia it is a notorious ending that everyone knows

This post was modified by Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer on 2012-09-05 23:59:32

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 5, 2012 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

I'm thinking how could it be his best known if no one knows it's him? Very deep voodoo.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 6, 2012 1:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Same way "Happy Birthday To You" is Patty and Mildred Hill's best-known song. (I challenge you to name a better-known one by them!) It's Jerry's "best-known solo," not "the best known solo known to be by Jerry."

Clearly there would have to be different categories: Best-Known Solo to Deadheads, Best-Known Solo Known as a Jerry Solo, and Best-Known Solo (definitely this one.)

The Best Known Known Jerry Solo Known by All and Sundry to be Jerry Soloing would have to be from one of the big songs -- Truckin, Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones -- and would have to be on one of their better-selling albums (Am Beauty, WMD, E72). By definition. But then it might be less of a Jerry Solo and more of a Jerry Moment ...





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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 5, 2012 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

I agree with the others - Teach Your Children is his best-known solo, & most people don't know it's him.
On the other hand, I'd guess the rest of his pedal-steel work is largely unknown except by aficionados, or devotees of New Riders/Crosby/Kantner etc. (Quick, name a single other Garcia pedal-steel track that ever got played on the radio.)

As far as his GD work, I'd guess his best-known solos are the ones in Casey Jones & Touch of Grey. Short & simple - but I wouldn't say "unrepresentative" of him, since that kind of 'keep it snappy & close to the song' solo was one side of him as well.
But it is another irony since his main public reputation is for playing endless noodling solos...

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2012-09-06 01:20:26

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Sep 5, 2012 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7yUJ7KXIA

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Poster: bluebirdsingone Date: Sep 5, 2012 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

Great point to emphasize how Jerry could play "snappy and close to the song." Few things are as frustrating as hearing people say Jerry played "endless noodling solos." When someone says this to me, I often reply by saying "have you listened to Jerry play or have you only listened to what some people say about Jerry's playing -- because he's doing many things and endless noodling is not one of them."

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 5, 2012 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's best known solo?

At any given opportunity I rarely fail to mention this (Jerry's pedal steel) to whoever is listening when we hear it play on the radio.